Dreaming of a miniature replica of the village

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Dreaming of a miniature replica of the village

Postby BarbaraSher » Wed Jul 31, 2002 2:06 pm

Looking through some old notes, about to toss them out, I see an entry about a dream I'd almost forgotten: to build a miniature replica of the village for the museum I one day want to create in the poor old Pasha house I bought (that's falling apart more every year). I originally wanted a replica the size of a big ping pong table. But I see I wrote this note on a day I thought of making it as big as a miniature golf course. See, the village has the most extradordinary geography, eroded volanic ash creating strange moonscapes, cave houses under most regular, stone houses, valleys with green gardens on the roofs of other caves. It's amazing. Just thought I'd toss it out there. There's no money to restore the Pasha house yet anyway, but maybe somebody knows about this kind of thing and I can at least dream with some company. My goal: to bring a few more tourists to the town (not too many; Lonely Planet types of tourists) and to create a few dozen more jobs for the village women. Tell me what you think.
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Postby MDG » Wed Jul 31, 2002 2:39 pm

Barbara, I think some practical thoughts. Oh well... Volcanic ash makes the finest growing soil, rich in many minerals - just add water, ad green and brown composting materials. Some insects can't tolerate crawling over the sharp bits. If the caves are dry, they make great root cellars. They might even make good accomodation for campers. And you'll want a team of miniaturists with measuring tapes, and probably a surveyor or two. Dreaming...
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Postby bluelilac » Wed Jul 31, 2002 7:09 pm

This is beyond me and I feel like a fish out of water. I am not big enough for this one Barbara but I wanted to respond and say WOW! Great idea. The artist side of me is thinking Could your beautful creative village members possibly construct the landscape using paper mache over a base of wire? Or could they carve it or build it of polymer clay? Since they know the place best it could be an interesting project and get everyone involved and caring. It could be painted with acrylics and textures could be attached etc.. Like a railroad model! Maybe there is a specialist out there or an architect to advise about the model construction. Or a set designer. I am probably way out but its just my two cents. I am out of my league here. But the idea is fun! Great Idea! Image
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Postby Karana » Thu Aug 01, 2002 4:55 pm

Barbara: Way back when you first brought our attention to Kilim Women and I was still posting under "JanetLB" I mentioned the idea of tours coming to the community interested in weaving, observing the process of weaving the kilims and perhaps even having the opportunity to attend a workshop (a few hours to several days) to learn to weave a kilim of their own (or maybe it was an idea that I just forgot to share). Is your community in Turkey able to accomodate visitors or interested? I just did a quick search using Yahoo, put in "weaving tours turkey" and came upon a variety of hits (one even called kilim.com that offered tours). In the back of weaving and spinning journals there are usually one or two Tours to Turkey advertised as well. You might also want to contact the Handweavers Guild of America ( www.weavespindye.org ) to see if they have any grants that may be available for the village weavers in some fashion. I know they make some small grants available for education concerning the fiber arts. Anyway, I thought I'd bring it up again in case it might have some relevancy at this time. Janet
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Postby MDG » Thu Aug 01, 2002 8:23 pm

Janet, what excellent ideas! I have been wracking my brain for ways to help. You make it seems so easy! Is this your field of expertise? Do you work in this industry? - MDG
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Postby BarbaraSher » Fri Aug 02, 2002 7:44 am

Great ideas! Janet, I think that's a marvelous idea. Yes, we could certainly accomodate them. I was thinking of individual weavers coming for a week or two of weaving study, but never thought of a tour. I'll check out your refs. MDG, you have wonderful information and a great ability to envision the place and in fact, the main industry in the village is the storage of citrus fruits in the caves. They are very special caves and fresh lemons, oranges and grapefruit are sent to this one village from the southern parts of Turkey. They're wrapped individually in tissue and stored in crates in these cool caves for up to 6 months! By that time they've become almost twice their size with juiciness and even the lemons are sweet enough to eat. Angel's father is in the citrus business, in fact. He's a wonderful man. I should put up the photos I took at the picnic Angel's family had at their little patch of garden (of Eden!) surround by small canyons below and walls above so you could see them all. Just been too busy! The soil has no sharp bits in it. It's soft and powdery and so fertile it's unbelievable. But there are very few bugs in the village for some reason. A few spiders on my ceiling to eat the flies that land on your nose when your sleeping if the sun hits your face in the morning. Now where's that team of miniaturists? I think we need some aerial photographers too. Multi-colored balloons go throught the canyons from a tourist place a few miles away. If someone knew what they were doing, they could easily get photos (I think) Good dreams!
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Postby angel » Fri Aug 02, 2002 1:47 pm

Hi Barbara and everyone, I am sorry.I don't understand your dream.Please You can explain this dream. See you soon Angel
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Postby MDG » Fri Aug 02, 2002 3:49 pm

Hi Angel, May I try to say Barbara's meaning? First I will say words that mean the same. 'Miniature' means 'small', or 'little'. 'Replica' means 'duplicate', or 'the same'. A doll looks like a little person. If we made a doll that looked the same as Angel, then we could say - 'That doll is a miniature replica of Angel'. We could make two kilims the same, but make one big and one small. For the big kilim we could use big threads. For the small kilim we could use thin threads. Then we could say - 'The small kilim is a miniature replica of the big kilim'. Barbara's dream is to make a small Ortahisar, the same size as a big table. All the houses and stores and streets and rocks and caves and trees would be the same, but they would be very small. She also dreams of a museum, a building where people could learn all about Ortahisar; all the stories about Ortahisar. Some stories about today, some stories about many years ago, when your grandmothers were little girls, and even before! Barbara's museum would be beautiful. There would be pictures and very old kilims and laces and many things from long ago, and today. Please tell me which words you do not understand. I will be happy to say them again in different ways. Your friend, - MDG
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Postby Karana » Sat Aug 03, 2002 7:09 am

MDG: I weave for pleasure, it's always been part of my "Ideal Day" so I try to keep it in my life a little each day. Barbara: If I find the tours specifically advertised for weavers I will forward the information to you. This may be a few days.
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Postby angel » Sat Aug 03, 2002 2:48 pm

Hi MDG; Thank you explain to me.I don't undertand before because I saw,as everyone talk different topic.But I am understanding better now. I hope Barbara's dream is will be beautiful. Barbara;If I can make anything.Please you say to me. See you Your friend Angel
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Postby explorer » Wed Dec 11, 2002 1:58 pm

Barbara, I just happened to read this thread. What a fascinating idea. Is it possible to do a virtual museum on the web? Can pictures of the village be cut and pasted to create a virtual village? Not the same as the real thing, but could this be a way to raise money for the real project? Maybe start a website for all of us who'd love to travel and see these marvelous places (someday!)...call it the Virtual Explorer or some such. Oh here we go...another project, huh? In how many lifetimes!!!! Second thought. Could the weavers weave a "village" kilim incorporating some of the more interesting buildings in the weaving? Abstracted, of course, to fit the nature of weaving. This could be a one of a kind kilim auctioned off (at a real auction house) to raise money for restoration and creating a museum. Okay, I'm going back to my day job....
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Postby MDG » Wed Dec 11, 2002 6:09 pm

Try www.corbis.com and look up 'Ortahisar', and 'kilim', and 'Turkey', etc. I've spent hours there, and there are lots of other places on the net, too. Try 'Ataturk'... Enjoy!
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Postby bluelilac » Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:04 pm

Now that the posted pictures have given us a good idea of the landscape and the houses, my brain is doing brainstorm about it. It's a bit off the top but what if Animators who work in clay can create the most amazing landscapes so maybe there is a designer out there who might love to help begin or organize the project. If the community built such a thing, I bet it would make a really interesting film. Or a NOVA/PBS type of project. Maybe there would be funding if you got some backing from such a production event. What about museums? Maybe anthropologists or archaeologists from a university would get involved for some specific reason and would find the project of great value from an historical perspective. Or what if geologists with a fascination for landscapes? volcanoes?? made a project of it? Or what if a college, say an art college with a great interest in weavers and the craft of weaving, traditional methods of dying etc....Maybe there would be some kind of funding for a group of students to travel over there to work with the people and to learn techniques from the people there in order to preserve and protect the tradition and the craft. What if an instructor takes a team of interested students over there (who pay) to study and learn, or to assist in the creating of the model using materials such as clay and metals and fiberglass or rubber molds and plaster and or whatever it is artists use to create 3-D displays and landscapes. Get Martha Stewart to do a show on the town and their crafts. (How you do that?) I have no idea. But she did go dog sledding in Alaska. So why wouldn't she go shopping in Turkey? Now that would be a plug! OK. I will stop now.
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Postby Gist » Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:58 pm

Barbara, I second the art school and museum suggestions. Here's the art school I suggest: Art Center College of Design in Pasadena, CA. http://www.artcenter.edu/ This school trains many successful car designers (the students build full-size clay and plastic models), photographers, graphic designers, product designers, etc. Corporations sometimes sponsor design contests for the students to win prizes. For example: design kitchen gadgets from the year 2050. Design cars that could navigate automatically on digital roads. Design the advertising and packaging if "scent memories" were for sale. The winning student makes nice prize money for a student, the corporation gets lots of good ideas for cheap, and the public gets to see some very original designs in the school gallery - a fun place to visit if you're in the Pasadena area. The school has state of the art equipment, for example they have a lab that can take a 3D computer file and turn it into a physical product. Imagine if this creativity could be unleashed for the village & the killim sales! What if there were student projects like this: How to market eco-tourism to the village? How to make a diorama model of the village? What if there was a 3D model of the village that people could explore on a computer? Since it's such a good cause, maybe the school could let you come and give a talk to the students, and ask them for ideas. For a museum, I wonder if the Getty Center http://www.getty.edu/ might like to put some of their essentially unlimited budget into studying killim rugs as art, or the architecture of the village. I also like the idea of a documentary. If I had the budget and stamina, I'd go shoot a documentary myself, but I don't have either right now. Maybe someone else with a video background already has the equipment and funds to take some time off, fly over there to shoot for a week or two, add narration and provide a nice documentary! This seems like a natural for National Geographic or the Discovery channel.
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Postby Unity » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:34 am

One of my hobbies is miniature modelling. This is a mixture of diarama/railway/dolls house 1/12 scale/social history. If you wanted this done cheaply as opposed to hiring professional model makers - you could look for people that are interested in the hobbies mentioned above. You could email online clubs and ask if anyone were willing to work on a joint project. There are many magazines on this subject, the ones I buy are international. You could write a letter and ask the readers to help. Is there a railway in the area you wish to depict? Then you could appeal to all the railway enthusiasts. I've seen some fantastic miniature villages based on foreign landscapes. The railway modellers that are interested in garden railways are the ones that make much bigger models than normal, the sort of scale that I imagine you are looking for. Let me know if you need any other help. Good luck with this project.
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