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London - scanner's night

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Re: London - scanner's night

Postby jj74 » Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:29 pm

Can this be true? I read 'effortless focus'. Then I went on John Williams' http://www.freestylesuccess.com and ordered a Wealth Dynamics test. Let's see.
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Re: London - scanner's night

Postby jj74 » Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:10 pm

I took the test. It has some interesting ideas, like flow and resonance. I'm puzzled however at the focus of John's website. I find the idea quite amazing that being a scanner can mean doing what you like and even earn a lot of money out of that. If only you ... focus and channel your energy. Then what about Barbara's idea that scanners have a hard time focussing and are not meant to? Is a scanner someone who keeps pulling off ever new projects and bring them to success, or someone who gets by with a good enough job, leading a life of mostly private pleasures? I know I keep asking (too) many questions.
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Re: London - scanner's night

Postby Heartofstgiles » Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:01 am

For me being a scanner is also about not being in that pigeon-hole. Am I the only one here whose life is messy and does not fit in with anyone's book. I am now getting my passion going as a business. It is hard work and yet I wake up each morning feeling alive. For me it is not about getting rich moneywise. I have been unemployed for long enough that I live on modest means. Good luck to those who hope for the answer at a mass meeting. This morning I turned the corner at the end of my street and there was a rainbow. Reminded me to be open to surprise and new experience. It also brought a smile to my face. Ken
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Re: London - scanner's night

Postby jj74 » Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:58 am

You're right. I don't see any point in calling myself a scanner anymore. It's been a good journey. Now, I find too much obscurity, too many dead ends. Good luck with your business.
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Re: London - scanner's night

Postby skannie » Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:05 am

jj74 wrote:Can this be true? I read 'effortless focus'. Then I went on John Williams' http://www.freestylesuccess.com and ordered a Wealth Dynamics test. Let's see.
jj74 wrote:I took the test. It has some interesting ideas, like flow and resonance. I'm puzzled however at the focus of John's website. I find the idea quite amazing that being a scanner can mean doing what you like and even earn a lot of money out of that. If only you ... focus and channel your energy. Then what about Barbara's idea that scanners have a hard time focussing and are not meant to? Is a scanner someone who keeps pulling off ever new projects and bring them to success, or someone who gets by with a good enough job, leading a life of mostly private pleasures?
My answer is both, because there are different kinds of scanners. The main thing we have in common is the variety of our interests. Some like channelling those interests into a series of different businesses, like Richard Branson. Many prefer other kinds of scanners' lifestyles. We are all unique so you have to tailor it to suit yourself. I went to one of John Williams's meetings in London a couple of years ago, and for me it was too narrowly focussed on generating wealth, and too far from the core of Barbara Sher's teachings. John appears to be having a lot of success with his meetings, so there must be sufficient people who like that approach, but it's certainly not all there is to being a scanner. The Wealth Dynamics company has a reseller programme where people can earn 50% on every test sold. It looks like John participates in that scheme to make an income. If you find the results helpful that's fine, but it's not something I've ever heard Barbara Sher recommend, and is in no way central to being a Scanner.
jj74 wrote:I know I keep asking (too) many questions.
It's good to ask questions. Keep on doing it!
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Re: London - scanner's night

Postby skannie » Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:09 pm

Heartofstgiles wrote:For me being a scanner is also about not being in that pigeon-hole. Am I the only one here whose life is messy and does not fit in with anyone's book. I am now getting my passion going as a business. It is hard work and yet I wake up each morning feeling alive. For me it is not about getting rich moneywise. I have been unemployed for long enough that I live on modest means. Good luck to those who hope for the answer at a mass meeting. This morning I turned the corner at the end of my street and there was a rainbow. Reminded me to be open to surprise and new experience. It also brought a smile to my face.
No you're not the only one with a messy lifestyle, Ken. Mine is that way too. I think many of us scanners aren't strongly motivated by money. We need enough to live on, but doing what we love is much more important. And that is really the main message I get from Barbara Sher. Like most scanners, I'm a mixture of several of the types Barbara describes in Refuse to Choose, including a strong streak of Wanderer. I don't like my life to be too tightly scheduled, and I want there always to be room for unplanned adventures and chance discoveries, like rainbows at the end of the street. It's not about putting yourself in a pigeonhole or fitting in with someone's book. You have to take whatever there is in the books that speaks to you, and apply it to your own desires and circumstances to create your own unique life. I don't think there is such a thing as "the answer", but many different answers to a multitude of questions. Some can be found in meetings, or in books, or on the internet. Some are hidden deep inside you. Others can only be discovered by rambling around and seeing whatever there is to see. I actually got some very valuable answers from John's scanners' night. Mainly that he is a very different type of scanner from me, and if I ever organised a scanner event it wouldn't be much like his. That's useful to know.
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Re: London - scanner's night

Postby skannie » Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:21 pm

jj74 wrote:I don't see any point in calling myself a scanner anymore. It's been a good journey. Now, I find too much obscurity, too many dead ends.
I find scanner is a useful label for my type of personality, but there are others, e.g. renaissance person, polymath, eclectic, generalist, too many aptitudes person. It doesn't matter what you call yourself. But if you really are the kind of person we're talking about, that's always curious about new things, asks a lot of questions, has a wide range of interests, and hates the thought of specialising in one subject for the rest of your life, I don't think you can change that because it's genetic. And if you're looking for one clear path through life, I'm sure there isn't one, especially not for scanners. Our lives are usually more complex than the average. There are bound to be dead ends and obscurities. When I was a kid I thought grown-ups had it all sussed, and knew exactly what they were doing, but now I've been here over half a century I realise we're all just muddling through as best we can. Sometimes someone like Barbara Sher turns up to help me make more sense of it all. She's been a big help to me in the last three years, but I've found other good sources of information for people like us, and I'm gradually gathering them all together on my website to get the biggest possible picture of scannerhood. Apologies to everyone for three posts in a row. This is the last one.
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Re: London - scanner's night

Postby jj74 » Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:52 am

You should not apologise for good posts, especially if there's three of them...
skannie wrote: But if you really are the kind of person we're talking about, that's always curious about new things, asks a lot of questions, has a wide range of interests, and hates the thought of specialising in one subject for the rest of your life, I don't think you can change that because it's genetic. And if you're looking for one clear path through life, I'm sure there isn't one, especially not for scanners. Our lives are usually more complex than the average.
I certainly fit your description of a scanner. Where it doesn't fit for me anymore is that path question. I think that asking to know that path is about as hardwired into me as are my scanner traits. The message I get from Barbara, and you say so too, is 'stop looking, it's not there.' I can't stop, and I don't want to. Messy, unclear, obscured by social norms and our own complexity - granted, it's a hard fight, but that doesn't mean there's nothing to fight for. Once you hit that spot, there's that magic transition: you become ... focused. Your hard work has a meaning because you know why you do it and what for. I know that this is asking for a lot, almost a luxury. But that's my dream: waking up each morning feeling alive.
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Re: London - scanner's night

Postby educguess » Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:40 am

JJ74: A possibility is to know your current purpose, mission, and know it can change - and as you allow for that a thread - connection begins to emerge. Your values, underlying important facts of life, are the guiding force, the application can change. I have searched and continued to search for the one path way - and slowly realizing I am on it! It has many faces, many aspects, - however the underlying meaning, values, - thread- purpose-mission-focus is there. Food for thought - not a right, wrong or necessarily an answer for you. Enjoy you - enjoy life.
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Re: London - scanner's night

Postby skannie » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:30 pm

jj74 wrote:You should not apologise for good posts, especially if there's three of them...
Thank you! :-)
jj74 wrote:I certainly fit your description of a scanner. Where it doesn't fit for me anymore is that path question. I think that asking to know that path is about as hardwired into me as are my scanner traits. The message I get from Barbara, and you say so too, is 'stop looking, it's not there.' I can't stop, and I don't want to.
No, I'm not saying there isn't any path and you should stop looking. I don't think Barbara says that either. But it's more like exploring an unknown landscape than driving along an intercity highway. If you're a scanner you're probably not going to go by the easiest route to your destination. You're more likely to take lots of interesting detours, and stop to study and admire anything that fascinates you on the way. And when you reach one destination you might well set out on a new journey somewhere else, because the journey is really what you love, not the place you think you're heading for.
educguess wrote:I have searched and continued to search for the one path way - and slowly realizing I am on it! It has many faces, many aspects, - however the underlying meaning, values, - thread- purpose-mission-focus is there.
Yes, I think that's exactly it. Barbara says that for most scanners she can find a theme and purpose underlying all their apparently unrelated interests. She hasn't been able to find it for some, but thinks there probably is one there anyway. There can be various reasons for dead ends. Sometimes what we thought we loved from a distance turns out not to be what we want from close up. That's useful information to have, like a negative result in science. Other times we are stopped by real or imaginary obstacles or inner resistance. Barbara teaches ways of bypassing all of those problems and getting to the heart of what we love. If you want the fast-track to finding your underlying theme or getting past the dead ends, I recommend you go on one of Barbara's Scanner Retreats. The next one, I think, is in France in April. In the meantime you can look out for her $10 teleclasses, or watch the video clips that her son Matt puts up on YouTube here http://www.youtube.com/user/GuruSimple# ... RuLWGPyULc Especially watch the one on Happiness Levels. It's a deceptively simple technique for finding out what you love and getting clues to what your path is.
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Re: London - scanner's night

Postby jj74 » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:38 pm

Very nice post, educguess, really sums it up for me. I watched a couple of Barbara's videos. I keep nagging, but never mind. Life's better with different highways.
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Re: London - scanner's night

Postby johnsw » Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:28 am

jj74 wrote:I took the test. It has some interesting ideas, like flow and resonance.
What Wealth Dynamics profile did you come out as JJ74? Most Scanners are Creators or Stars (but not all)
I'm puzzled however at the focus of John's website. I find the idea quite amazing that being a scanner can mean doing what you like and even earn a lot of money out of that. If only you ... focus and channel your energy. Then what about Barbara's idea that scanners have a hard time focussing and are not meant to? Is a scanner someone who keeps pulling off ever new projects and bring them to success, or someone who gets by with a good enough job, leading a life of mostly private pleasures?
My thinking on this keeps developing and evolving but I think that finding the theme in what you do is critical to making a living as a scanner - a topic I am very interested in. I meet far too many bright, creative scanners stuck in mundane jobs or barely making enough money to live on. Finding something you love doing, you're good at and people can understand is a huge help in making a living - particularly as a self employed person. To find this theme you need to do some seriously lateral thinking. Barbara's Write Speak course does this very well with the core message exercise. In my own book due out in June 2010, I've suggested you find a core problem people have that you want to help people (or the world) with. The Wealth Dynamics thing then helps show you the part you should play in helping with that problem. There are other ways of getting there (Myers Briggs is next best thing) but WD works best for me when working with people who want to be self-employed. There's a lot more to all this that I don't have time to go into but I've written more on these kind of things on my blog http://www.creativemaverick.com
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