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Re: MAY 2013 HEALTH AND FITNESS

Postby mango » Thu May 23, 2013 4:44 am

I mean, so badly that I can't bear to type the words.


Graham, that whole post made me laugh out loud.
Unity, I hope to get back to the walking routine today.

I'm trying out a different daily routine (in terms of time management). We'll see how that goes.

I was off the rails for a few days - eating pizza when I wasn't hungry, etc.

I've realized that I want to be overweight so that no one pays any attention to me. :jawdrop:
That's why I stop every time I start making progress.

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Re: MAY 2013 HEALTH AND FITNESS

Postby mango » Thu May 23, 2013 3:04 pm

Hi all,

I got a workout today lifting heavy boxes, carrying them to the car, and then carrying them to the different stores. In the rain. I didn't finish my errands in time to get to the gym when I wanted to go, so those were my calories burned for today.

I also ate sensibly, drank a lot of water, and took my vitamins.

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Re: MAY 2013 HEALTH AND FITNESS

Postby mango » Sat May 25, 2013 12:32 pm

Hi all,

I've got to post this question. It's been on my mind since yesterday.

What is the fundamental difference between people who exercise because they love it, and people who would rather have a root canal than break a sweat?

Is it just a function of not having found something that you find so fun that you want to keep doing it?

I was thinking of you, ST. You've been a runner for over 40 years, right?
You love running and being active. I just don't get it! I admire the heck out of it, but I do NOT understand it.

What's the underlying difference between someone who loves to exercise, and someone who hates it?

Maybe I need to experiment with every type of physical activity there is to see if there's something that doesn't bore me to tears and feel like drudgery. That must be at least part of the answer.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this subject?
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Re: MAY 2013 HEALTH AND FITNESS

Postby Unity1 » Sat May 25, 2013 1:08 pm

Hi all

Mango, until that time last year when I seemed to completely give up I had always done daily excercises no matter what and it seemed easy.

Looking back there were several episodes when I stopped for a while and found it EXCEPTIONALLY hard to re-start each time. Eventually I just stopped for good. So perhaps the key is to find something you enjoy doing (whatever that is) and don't take a break. I don't mean you have to do it each day as I did, but keep doing it at the same intervals.

It might be that treadmill walking is not for you. Try something else. If you have back problems what about concentrating on excercises for your bad back, from what I recall when I had physio for that issue they were to strengthen the abdominal muscles and there were also ones for the leg. So you'd get a flat stomach and nice legs :D

Can you walk to where you need to go and not take a car?
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Re: MAY 2013 HEALTH AND FITNESS

Postby Scenario Thinker » Sat May 25, 2013 1:23 pm

Ran 7.22 miles. Cloudy and a little cool.

Got a new GPS watch ... cool! It's up to date versus my old one (which I'm thinking I got sometime in the late 1990's, not sure), which still creeps along and keeps OK mileage, but now this new one is very accurate and keeps a really good (my) pace (every 1 second). So, now I can see how slow I really run! :) The old watch was so up and down, it was basically not worth using for pace.

Mango, I think there's a lot of factors that go into why people (and I) love to exercise and especially run (41 years, I usually just subtract the current year from 1972). I really like lifting weights, too, but not as much as running.

I've done a lot of different exercises in my life (softball, football, basketball, running fast [track & field], running slow [cross country], karate, exercise classes at work, including boot camp-type, dance, step, etc.).

The motivation for team sports was always trying to get really good at something (running fast in football, accurate shooting in basketball). The motivation for karate was getting good at memorizing all the moves and routines. The motivation for dance/step was getting good at the dances and step routines (and the enjoyment of moving to music). The motivation for weights is sort of a pumped up high.

The motivation for running pretty much transcends all that. It's therapeutic, allows me to think without interruption, gives me that relaxed feeling afterward (along with soreness), and I always enjoyed the feeling of moving over the ground under my own power. I still after 41 years do not listen to music while running. I think and listen to everything around me (which can be annoying at times).

I remember reading one time that running is a good test to see how you can handle boredom, because there's not much you can do along with it (they didn't mention using music). So, it might be part of my personality that I can tolerate boredom, I don't know. Maybe people who like exercise are like that in general, another, I don't know.

You could try all kinds of things to see if something sticks. But, in my mind it's sort of like the philosophy of doing what you love, it either comes early in life (I believe even if one didn't do it early in life and does it later, that motivation was still there, but just didn't surface for whatever reason), and you can't force something that's not already there (at least in the enjoyment sense). I know plenty of people who really don't like exercise, but they do it anyhow for being healthy and trying to lose weight.

On the other hand, maybe there is some exercise that you haven't discovered (like say I never ran before), and all of a sudden I tried running and loved it. I can't really say I loved running until I decided to go out for cross country in high school to try to increase my speed in track and field (didn't work, but it increased my stamina). So, who knows, if I hadn't gone out for cross country, I would have finished my track career and done nothing after high school. It's hard to say. I think probably the motivation to go out for cross country was evidence in my desire to keep running more. The thought must have appealed somehow, and not just to increase my track speed.
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Re: MAY 2013 HEALTH AND FITNESS

Postby Unity1 » Sat May 25, 2013 2:40 pm

Hi again,

I think I shall start a new excercise schedule on here starting today.

SATURDAY - WEEK ONE

1. go up and downstairs 6 times in one go - done
2. neck excercises - 12 - done
3. tightening - S - 12 B - 12 - done
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Re: MAY 2013 HEALTH AND FITNESS

Postby grahamcl » Sat May 25, 2013 2:59 pm

Mango, I don't have a clue what it is that makes people love exercising! I think what ST said is probably right though. I just can't get into it. It's like a chore, even if I feel good once I do it. It's like cleaning the kitchen. I hate getting started, but once I do start, I figure I might as well finish. Then, once I finish, I feel good about having done it, as well as loving the after effects. But when it's time to do it again I feel just as much resistance to getting started as I did before.

I don't know. Sometimes I feel like if I had access to a pool I might want to take a swim everyday, but since I don't I may never know.
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Re: MAY 2013 HEALTH AND FITNESS

Postby Scenario Thinker » Sun May 26, 2013 12:12 pm

Ran 3.07 miles. A little warmer and a little more sunny.

On the topic of motivation BEFORE exercising, I don't know if it's an addiction to creating endorphins or an internal motivation (maybe a little of both), but on the days that are freed up or I have ear-marked for running, I almost feel an internal burning desire during the time before I start, and even anxiousness if anything threatens to interrupt starting my run (work emergencies, appointments, etc.).

On the days I don't plan to run (I can't run every day or I'd become "permanently" injured :) ), I am totally relaxed about it and don't get anxious. If I do miss a planned run day, I don't stress about it, though. I just move on and start again anew. Some people try to make up for lost ground (runners tend to be an anal lot), but I don't bother.
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Re: MAY 2013 HEALTH AND FITNESS

Postby Tituba » Sun May 26, 2013 1:30 pm

I think it is habit versus motivation. Kind of like brushing your teeth. Once it becomes just something you always do, then you don't have to have some epiphany to get moving.
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Re: MAY 2013 HEALTH AND FITNESS

Postby Scenario Thinker » Sun May 26, 2013 2:08 pm

It's definitely more than habit for me, almost like an urge.
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Re: MAY 2013 HEALTH AND FITNESS

Postby mango » Sun May 26, 2013 6:29 pm

Hi all,

Thanks for your thoughts on the question!

So perhaps the key is to find something you enjoy doing (whatever that is) and don't take a break. I don't mean you have to do it each day as I did, but keep doing it at the same intervals.


I think that's absolutely true, Unity, but it seems to be rooted in the 'I'm doing it because I'm making myself do it' mindset, not the 'I'm doing it because I love to do it' mindset.

I remember reading one time that running is a good test to see how you can handle boredom, because there's not much you can do along with it (they didn't mention using music). So, it might be part of my personality that I can tolerate boredom, I don't know. Maybe people who like exercise are like that in general, another, I don't know.


Even with music, I find it horrifically tedious. Not that I run... :D

I've also tried television, reading, paying attention to breathing patterns, and audio books. Nothing makes it fun for me. I'm waiting for every single minute to go by. And time goes slower when you're doing something you don't enjoy, as we all know!

I just can't get into it. It's like a chore, even if I feel good once I do it. It's like cleaning the kitchen. I hate getting started, but once I do start, I figure I might as well finish. Then, once I finish, I feel good about having done it, as well as loving the after effects. But when it's time to do it again I feel just as much resistance to getting started as I did before.


I feel exactly the same way. That's why I was curious as to the difference between people who 'tolerate it,' and people who do it because they love it. And then ST said it!

I don't know if it's an addiction to creating endorphins or an internal motivation (maybe a little of both), but on the days that are freed up or I have ear-marked for running, I almost feel an internal burning desire during the time before I start, and even anxiousness if anything threatens to interrupt starting my run (work emergencies, appointments, etc.).


That's significant to me because it seems to be the root of the difference. Yes, lots of people exercise because of how it makes them look, or for health reasons, but there seem to be a lot fewer people who do it because they actually love it.

Interesting topic!
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Re: MAY 2013 HEALTH AND FITNESS

Postby Unity1 » Mon May 27, 2013 3:29 am

Hi all

Another aspect to excercise is purpose.

I know that our health should be enough to get us fully motivated but it doesn't seem to work like that for most people.

Few years ago I was stuck in the house all day and night wondering if I'd ever socialise again. From the moment the obsessive days out began, I was walking long distances even though I was exhausted, walking around in the pitch dark (I used to be wary at 6pm in winter) yet walking around at 1 am felt good. And I was on my feet a lot, plus there was extra excercise in one of the venues as the bathrooms were up two sets of very narrow steep stairs.

Now I'm back to nearly square one as I've cut down dramatically and spend most of my time at home. I need to do a lot to increase my physical activities.

Graham how is your weight loss, I know you had a deadline.

Mango is there anything you can use to motivate you?
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Re: MAY 2013 HEALTH AND FITNESS

Postby Scenario Thinker » Mon May 27, 2013 9:03 am

Ran 4.31 miles.
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Re: MAY 2013 HEALTH AND FITNESS

Postby mango » Mon May 27, 2013 11:41 am

Hi all,

ST, congrats on your new GPS watch! It's fun to see your varied distances. Are you noticing a big difference?

Another aspect to exercise is purpose.

I know that our health should be enough to get us fully motivated but it doesn't seem to work like that for most people.


Unity, you've been reading my mind again. I was thinking about this last night.

I don't mind working until I drop if it's something that has to be done (or it involves money). I burned thousands of calories when I was moving, between cleaning the house from top to bottom, doing the yard work, spray painting the furniture, packing, etc. I even helped the movers by shifting items from the back bedroom to the front as they loaded the truck. I was working as hard as they were - they said it themselves!

As I've been working around the apartment - trying to get it organized - I've burned hundreds more calories. I lift heavy items, move things around, put things together, clean, etc. I end up doing a lot of things that I wouldn't do if I didn't live by myself. I am fiercely independent, so if something heavy needs to be moved, I figure out a way to do it.

I guess this is 'functional fitness.' I'll do it almost gladly if there is a clear purpose that doesn't have to do with how I look or improving my health. I seem to rebel against those reasons.

So, I guess the answer for me is either to incorporate a lot of activity into my day (house cleaning, errands, etc.), or include something physical in one of my 'multiple streams of income.' I need to brainstorm that one. A paper route, maybe? LOL.

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Re: MAY 2013 HEALTH AND FITNESS

Postby Scenario Thinker » Mon May 27, 2013 3:04 pm

The new watch is much more accurate, especially for pace. It receives the GPS signal every second, so for me, it's almost a constant review of my pace. It might be more of a novelty for now, but it's fun watching my pace (for example, just going downhill the pace increases, and going uphill, it slows down). The distance measurements are probably a little more accurate, but my old watch wasn't bad (partly because the old watch would eventually "catch up" with the signals and record an accurate distance).

The other cool thing is, it hooks up to a web site and it shows my route on a Google-type map. How would I have ever known when I was in high school and was rolling a tiny flywheel across a paper map of my town for measuring my running routes, that someday I'd be able to do all that with a watch!

Anyhow, there is some theories around in the articles on fitness, exercise and our weight problem in general in the US, that just moving all day would be a big help. Even what I do mostly, run a few miles and then sit all day is not good, they say. Well, I don't sit all day, I do try and get up and walk around every once in a while. They're also saying to park farther away from places in the parking lot, and to climb the stairs. I try doing all that, too. In other words, it's not that we don't try to exercise, but that we don't move enough overall. There's even new laptop desks out there where you can stand at them. That might be a good idea at least some of the day. Or how about the ones where they work while walking on a treadmill? :)
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