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Re: Palin

Postby Scenario Thinker » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:47 pm

No matter what you believe about the reason Bush won in 2004, it's kind of like crying over spilled milk now. We're almost done with the last 4 years. There was a big rampage about how we were going to get to the bottom of the corruption (the missing votes, the recount, etc.), but nothing ever happened. The supreme court decided, no one was able to challenge it (or find any proof) ... (how many missing voting personnel were there 4 years ago :) ). So, life goes on (well not for almost 5,000 in Iraq, anyhow). My point was, if the uneducated and moronic people are voting for the party they are influenced to vote for, then there's probably half of the morons on each side. If the candidates and civil servants are morons, then more than half the people need to be convinced of this and vote for the non-moronic candidate(s). Obviously, almost half are voting for each, creating these dilemmas where corruption can even be suspect.
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Re: Palin

Postby dani » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:49 am

No politician makes a decision in a vacuum and I think that's just as true with the Palin choice. Alaskan oil had to have played a major role in getting this dumbbell on the ticket.
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Re: Palin

Postby merk » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:18 am

I wouldnt call her a dumb bell - i'm not sure she's stupid. i think she's just suffering from a little fish who was just thrown into a much bigger pond. If they had told her a year ago they wanted her to be VP, and she had time to prepare, i think she'd probably make a better impression then bush does. Then again that's not saying much. I had someone describe palin perfectly by calling her a post turtle. A post turtle is a turtle you see sitting all the way on top of a fence post. You know there's no way the turtle got there on it's own, and you have to wonder at the cruel bastard who put it there.
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Re: Palin

Postby DayOwl » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:21 pm

John McCain was asked in an interview (either ABC or PBS; sorry I don't recall which) whether Sarah Palin was qualified to be president, should it come to that. He answered with deep conviction, "Absolutely!" His eyes were shining with certainty. My jaw is still on the floor. :jawdrop: Either (1) he believes it, in which case his judgement is seriously flawed, or (2) he doesn't believe it but wants the public to believe it, in which case he is lying. Either way, I don't want him as our president.
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Re: Palin

Postby merk » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:29 pm

i dont think mccain is that stupid that he really thinks palin is qualified, but then again bush was deliberately elected as president, so i guess we have a low bar for qualifications now ;) Seriously, i think mccain went with her purely for the number of votes he's hoping she'll bring him. I do agree with you that I wouldn't want him for president either. Because it means he's either putting his own ambitions way above whats best for the country or it means he's got incredibly poor judgment and that isn't good either.
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Re: Palin

Postby jcjm » Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:51 am

You guys crak me up. This Palin post has more to say about the electoral college and stealing elections than Palin. In fact I haven't seen a political post here since 2000 that didn't mention the election was stolen. I like Palin, but I don't think any of the candiates for pres or vp have the right stuff. I truley think Hillary if the person for the time. So all of you who insisted I was a conservative when I said I was independant, can start eating your words.
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Re: Palin

Postby merk » Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:40 am

You might want to start off a new thread about hillary. Personally, i dont see what sets her apart from any of the other ones all that much. I'm not saying she'd be bad - i just don't see what would make her so good. If you want to start off a new thread discussing that, i'd be interested in that.
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Re: Palin

Postby Scenario Thinker » Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:58 pm

jcjm wrote:I truley think Hillary if the person for the time.
Freudian slip, yes it is a big if.
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Re: Palin

Postby maisie » Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:24 pm

How we get such idiotic people in office is beyond me
Every time I hear the name Palin, Phillip Roth's book, The Plot Against America, pops into my mind. Definitely worth reading if you haven't already.
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Re: Palin

Postby dani » Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:56 pm

maisie wrote:
How we get such idiotic people in office is beyond me
Every time I hear the name Palin, Phillip Roth's book, The Plot Against America, pops into my mind. Definitely worth reading if you haven't already.
Geez, is that my comment from way back on page 2? :mrgreen: After reading reviews, I think I'd be more inclined to buy Sinclair Lewis' It Can't Happen Here http://www.amazon.com/Cant-Happen-Here-Sinclair-Lewis/dp/045121658X/ref=pd_sim_b_18 :twisted:
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Re: Palin

Postby maisie » Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:01 pm

Yes, Dani, it was your quote. Sorry, I should have credited you. I was rushing.
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Re: Palin

Postby Scenario Thinker » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:34 pm

Is it really that hard to be straight up? I guess in politics, it is: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081003/ap_ ... fact_check
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Re: Palin

Postby virtualdeb46 » Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:00 pm

I think what scares me the most about Palin is her Pentecostal roots. I was raised Pentecostal myself, so, her lack of knowledge, and/or curiosity about the world, and her seeming inability to think critically in general, makes sense to me. Pentecostals, more so than any other religious group I've ever experienced, are rigidly exclusive. You are with them or on your way to hell, fire, and eternal damnation. The line between what is religious and all else that is secular is not drawn in sand, it's drawn in cement! But what really angers me is that I think she is being played by McCain in a transparently sexist way. This wouldn't offend the Pentecostals I know, and I was married to a Pentecostal preacher. Women have their place. If Palin can help McCain as a woman, then God is happy she is fulfilling her womanly duties--or so I would have thought when I was a diehard Pentecostal myself. Well, no, on second thought, it would have even made me mad then;) Respectfully Deb Gram
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Re: Palin

Postby Tituba » Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:16 pm

I'm all for having a woman as VP or President, but not this one. Can anyone really say they would feel secure having Palin as President? Think about her negotiating with the crazy in North Korea.... The fact that McCain picked her shows his lack of judgment. He did this to give some life to his campaign, not what is best for the country. He could have chosen a lot of qualfied women (Condie Rice, Madeline Albright). They have experience and the maturity necessary for the job. Palin is just out of her league
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Re: Palin

Postby An8el » Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:51 am

Yeah - imagine, we could have a woman president because McCain wanted a pretty lady to make a splash in his campaign and then he dies because the presidency is stressful. Hey look! Palin is smarter than Dubya! We know Bush is not smart enough to be running the show, so why does it make any difference who's in the hot seat of the presidency? If McCain wins and kicks the bucket, the guys who are in power now are just going to be telling Palin what to do anyway, so she can smile and look nice while it's happening. OK, you're concerned about terrorism - get this - when Clinton was president, how come there wasn't a problem with US "terrorists"? Republicans don't mind playing dirty, so they invented something like Terrorism to keep the rest of us scared enough to be passing bills in a big fat hurry like the Patriot Act. This "crying wolf" works pretty well. Check this out to give you a chill about what else was passed in the "bail-out" bill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgkeTanCGI So - what about Palin's issue - "Troopergate" and how she won't cooperate with the investigation?
"The Republican campaign insists the investigation has been hijacked by Democrats. It says it can prove Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan was fired because of insubordination on budget issues - not because he refused to fire a state trooper who had divorced Palin's sister."
Here's the link to the investigation from today's news about "Troopergate" in the Boston Herald: http://preview.tinyurl.com/4l36jg from the Anchorage Daily News http://www.adn.com/ Some snippets of the above article, in case the link disappears later:
ANCHORAGE, Alaska — With his Troopergate report due Friday, legislative investigator Steve Branchflower appears to have the makings of a fairly complete account, despite weeks of resistance from the Palin family and administration. Branchflower has, or soon will have, answers from nearly all the people he’d hoped to question regarding Gov. Sarah Palin’s firing in July of former Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. Some of the final witnesses include seven state employees, including the governor’s chief of staff, who lost a court fight to kill subpoenas Branchflower obtained through the Alaska Senate Judiciary Committee to compel their testimony. This week the seven are answering a list of questions known as interrogatories. The answers are submitted under oath. Another key witness, Todd Palin, the governor’s husband, also is answering a list of questions in writing, and has a deadline of Wednesday to turn them in. A legislative panel has scheduled a meeting for 9 a.m. Friday to receive Branchflower’s report on Monegan’s firing and whether Palin or members of her administration abused their powers in pushing for the dismissal of a state trooper involved in a child-custody fight with the governor’s sister. At 3 p.m. Wednesday, lawyers for six Republican legislators who last week lost a court case seeking to halt the legislative investigation will try to persuade the state Supreme Court to overturn Superior Court Peter Michalski’s dismissal of the case. French said Tuesday that Branchflower, a retired state prosecutor, is working as fast as possible to finish his questioning and draft his report. Whether in person or in writing, Branchflower has been able to interview nearly all the witnesses he wanted to question regarding whatever they might know about events surrounding Monegan’s firing. The big exception is the governor herself, [Palin] who had said initially she would cooperate but has since resisted. Legislators decided against hitting the governor with a subpoena, saying they wanted to "de-escalate" tensions between her and the Legislature. "We tried to schedule a statement from her but it never worked out," French said.
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