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Re: The Fiscal Cliff

PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:51 am
by SquarePeg
All three of my Congressional folks are Democrats and are willing to listen to Obama. Nevertheless, I wrote to them two weeks ago about the situation:
Please act ASAP to eliminate the possibility of the March 1 Sequestration. Some of my employer's orders have already been delayed by the threat of Sequestration. As well, we face lasting harm if Sequestration is triggered.

We supply very unique "niche" defense-related products to XXX, YYY and ZZZ [large defense firms]. These products sometimes take years of research, design and development, and the components that we need typically require at least a dozen weeks of procurement time. We have postponed ordering to fulfill the anticipated orders. So not only will my employer soon face a difficult budget crisis, the future security of USA has already impinged and will only deteriorate.

We elect legislators on the premise that they are specialized professionals who can plan, negotiate and reach consensus. You should be acting altruistically rather than protecting your self-interest or favoring special interest. We have failed to see much evidence of the aforementioned professional behavior.

Again I urge you to work hard to immediately end the threat of Sequestration.
The more people that contact them, the more motivated they may be to act.

Re: The Fiscal Cliff

PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:25 pm
by Tituba
The budget extension bill that was passed, included two "special" provisions. ... l-sandberg

1. Monsanto

2. Guns

Re: The Fiscal Cliff

PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:31 pm
by jcjm
Haven't been here for a while, but just found out a disturbing fact about extended unemployment benefits.

As you might remember I do consulting work on long term projects so in between projects this could affect me.

First my State reduced the regular benefits by 6 weeks because of the long term benefits.

Second, if you get long term benefits, you don't get a check 4 weeks this year. They subtract the money from your total, but don't pay you. So if you get $300 a week they subtract $300 from your eligibility, but don't give you the $300.

They say it is part of this fiscal cliff, like govt workers having furlough days.

Thing is, I doubt the idiots who came up with this are being shorted on these weeks.

Re: The Fiscal Cliff

PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:57 pm
by Scenario Thinker
I think it just depends on where you stand on the lucky stick. Unfortunately, the lucky side keeps moving further and further to one end.

Re: The Fiscal Cliff

PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:46 am
by jcjm
I just found out that in addition to docking unemployed people for the money deficit, the entire extended benefits program will end on December 28 because unemployment is down.

While this program has been on for quite a while, I don't think getting under 8% is such a big deal. Especially when that number doesn't take into account the people who ran out of benefits and are still unemployed or had to retire early because their job was eliminated and they couldn't find a comparable one.

Estimates are that when you take those into account you are above 15%.

I just don't understand how the people who are in charge of straitening out this mess can morally continue to pay themselves full pay for not doing their job and just let across the boards cut kick in for everyone else.

Its at the point they are starting to look like city officials who set up a speed trap to generate money to pay their salaries. Self serving and for the good of no one but themselves.

Re: The Fiscal Cliff

PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:47 am
by Scenario Thinker
Gallup estimates it at 17.2%, unemployment and underemployment, which they consider the nature state of things, not just a ratio of people "working": ... -2014.html

Re: The Fiscal Cliff

PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:13 pm
by jcjm
Worse than I thought.

It looks like the actual number has stayed about the same, but the reported number is lower because of people running out of unemployment or retiring instead of looking.

I saw one article about a guy who just got a job after 4 years of being unemployed.

Re: The Fiscal Cliff

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:16 pm
by SquarePeg
Oct 1 is rapidly approaching, and Republicans are talking about using ObamaCare as a bargining tool. They want to delay funding for it in exchange for averting the next Cliff. Mean while, my employer has laid off just over 10% of its workers due to last year's Cliff.

Re: The Fiscal Cliff

PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:52 am
by jcjm
What a mess. I can't beleive we are going through this again in October.

I haven't seen a good or bad trend in Obamacare yet, but I think using legislation that is passed as a bargaining tool for the budget is wrong.

The merits of Obamacare or anything else need to stand on their own merits, not be tied in to other legislation. Especially the budget.

It makes me sick to think that legislators feel they were elected to push one agenda. They need to do what is right for the people they represent and in doing so they will do what is right for the country.

Re: The Fiscal Cliff

PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:08 am
by BarbaraSher
They're panicking, and they admit it. Although we're the only economically developed country that has no health care, they have managed (with the help of the Rush Limbaugh's of this world) to convince people that it's bad to have any health care break at all.

A lot of people know exactly what it means to have a lifetime limit to their insurance, or be refused insurance because of pre-existing conditions. It's a danger they live with every day. When that goes away they're going to see what it's like to not have to be afraid of losing their homes and going bankrupt as soon as they become ill. I can't believe how pissed off we all were when Obama backed down from the first thing - Single payer? Damn, I forget now. But think about it. He's the only one who's ever been able to make health care reform happen. Not even FDR could do it.

The Republicans know that once it goes into effect, the Republicans will be in trouble. They've been lying so much and scaring people with 'death panels,' (their invention), and fear of 'socialism,' that nobody knows what's up or down anymore. But they'll find out soon enough. And then the Repubs are going to be in serious trouble. And they know it. They're acting like they'd bomb the building where the healthcare computers are kept.

Re: The Fiscal Cliff

PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:57 am
by jcjm
Its wrong to try to overturn passed legislation in exchange for passing a budget.

I'm not sure what will happen under Obamacare, but death panels is one thing I am not worried about. More people are affected by not getting care because the were maxed out on their benefits or couldn't afford insurance, than would be affected by a death panel.

There is such a spin machine out there spreading false information, its hard to get to the truth.

We had a panel of Drs., Govt officials, etc. on our local network and even they couldn't answer a simple question like can children be covered by one of the exchanges, if their parents have insurance through their work?

Their answer was, we don't think so but you may be able to get the insurance but not a subsidized rate, go to the website and input your specifics and see what it tells you.

I'm sure their will be glitches in Obamacare, but junking the whole thing and starting over is not the answer. It is just an excuse to get rid of it and do what they did with the budget, pass it down to some future time which never comes.