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This may or may not count as a success story

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Sometime back, on a thread in which I was complaining about how hard it is for those of us 50 and over to find employment commensurate with our experience and requiring enough of us not to bore us to death, someone suggested that maybe I should be a recruiter of a different sort. I laughed and replied that I didn't have any business doing that, since I couldn't even seem to find myself so much as an interview. Well, I've kept on looking, and yesterday an agency I'd put in my CV to sent me a notice that they were looking for recruiters in a town nearby. I thought what-the-heck, and mostly because of the exchange here, filled out the application. Today I got a call saying it's been accepted and I have a phone interview on Monday. I hear there's a great amount of turnover in such jobs. Anybody had one? The way I figure it is that it's totally different from anything I've done before, so even if I don't last long, I'll have gained some new skills to add to my CV list. At any rate, it's my first real interview, so I'm making progress, I guess. Donna

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Hi Donna, Good for you getting that interview. That certainly is progress in the right direction. Let us know how things develop. Best, JB

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DJCNOR wrote:I have a phone interview on Monday.
Yes, this is a success. Good for you.

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DJCNOR wrote:I hear there's a great amount of turnover in such jobs.
I think you're right, but it's just a higher turnover than most jobs, not that everyone leaves. I've never been one, but I've worked with several when looking for jobs, and some I kept in touch with for years. I think if you've got the knack for it, you can do quite well. Like anything else, it probably helps if you love doing it.
DJCNOR wrote:The way I figure it is that it's totally different from anything I've done before, so even if I don't last long, I'll have gained some new skills to add to my CV list.
Good point, it's not going to hurt trying it. Besides, it may give you insight into jobs you never would have heard of before, or methods to look for a job that you never knew.
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Well, I had my phone interview. I have no idea what the results will be. I'll hear in a few days. They asked questions about my experience in customer facing, in target meeting, when I'd experienced really great customer service (that seems to be a really popular question these days. I used to have a really good answer, but I've forgotten it. Today, I used my trip this morning to get an NHS chest X-ray.), what I'd do if I didn't meet a target, what problems I'd encountered in customer facing (I said it was listening and interpreting what the person I was dealing with meant, educating them on what I could do for them, and, sometimes, knowing when to keep my mouth shut.), how I would approach finding a person a job who hadn't been employed for a long while and what challenges I could face in that, I forget what else. Mostly, I didn't have any idea what the "right" answers were, and the truth is, often they were not the questions I would ask if hiring for this job, or at least the comparative apparent importance of the various questions seemed off to my mind. If I got past this step, they do a credit check and something else, I forget, and if I get past that, then a face-to-face interview. I seriously doubt that the expansion in what job candidates are put through is at all justified by how much better employees are chosen by the process. If you've been put through one of these, what do you think? Donna

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Congratulations, Donna. I think it would be great if you landed a new job and a new career as a result of following through on an idea in these boards. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. The use of "customer facing" as verb, instead of an adjective, sounds perfectly awful. I hope it's just a fad.
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Well, A new job, I'm OK with, but a new career? I know my career. Somewhere inside, no matter how I'm earning the rent, my career will be textile design. This morning I'm feeling absolutely fierce about it. I realized why I've stopped hanging with the artists of my local region. It's because they've given up on the idea of earning their living as artists. They've resigned themselves to doing what they love on the side of a "real" job. And having known what it's like to do just that after years of wishing it, I'll never be really satisfied with less, whether it's practical in the location I find myself or not. Today, to remind myself of that fact, that I'm not a stock/ordering/kit-puller, I'm a textile designer doing a stock/ordering/kit-puller's job, I wore the most artistic jacket I have in my wardrobe. I have to shuck it for the company fleece during working hours, but it's still there on the back of my chair. Well, I'd better actually work, I guess. Donna

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You're a textile designer as long as you're doing textile design, Donna. Some work doesn't pay off in the short run, and you may need to also do something that does, but growing a portfolio of your most creative ideas makes it easy to outshine the competition when an opportunity to get paid for doing what you love shows up. We've heard so many stories of singers who produce something they wrote 15 years ago, architects who build something wonderful they first conceived of years earlier, and others who were well-prepared for their opportunity to become an "overnight success."
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Thanks Pattyn, But when it comes to textile design for fashion, which is what I did, your work has got to be what the trend for the next year is in terms of colors, the types of florals (this year sillouette florals are multicolored; a few years back, they were black and white), the historical references, the amount of background showing, all sorts of things, so you actually rarely sell your old designs, and you certainly don't show them unless they were highly successful in the market of their time. I'm trying to get around that by digitalizing all my designs so the colors can be updated, specializing in florals, because there are always florals of some type, and storing my individual motifs for recycling. There's not much I can do about the subjects, though. And I AM going to freelance on the side. The problem with that is that agents want a set of 10 or more coordinates (you won't sell them all) and that amount of work takes more time than I really have available if working another job, particularly a full time one. Donna

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DJCNOR wrote:I'm trying to get around that by digitalizing all my designs so the colors can be updated, specializing in florals, because there are always florals of some type, and storing my individual motifs for recycling.
Brilliant! And remember to think long-term. I'm 56, and I've seen a bunch of old ideas become new again. Last year's explosion of solid turquoise and lime green combos took me back to my sweet sixteen party. And some of the current floral patterns were probably in my grandmother's closet when I was a kid. It's not as if the world won't be looking for design ideas 30 or 40 years from now, too.
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DJCNOR wrote:Well, I had my phone interview...what do you think?
During the phone interview did you learn anything more about this kind of position? Do you think you might decide to make it one of your job targets if you don't get an initial offer? If, in order to generate income, you temporarily work a job in a different career category that doesn't mean that you therefore are not an artist. If it fits your goal plan, go for it.

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Password, Well. it seemed that some of the job would be selling the agency's services to the local government agencies that had people they wanted to get into work and off of benefits, as well as selling these same clients on being placed through the agency. Representing at job fairs and that sort of thing. And, no, it doesn't sound like a job I would target. More like a job I might be able to endure that would probably be less boring that what I do now, and that has the potential, if I turned out to be very good at it indeed, to pay more per hour than what I do now. I've also considered the fact that the job would put me in a position to know about other job openings I might be interested in before anyone else, though they would probably tell me that was against the rules. And that having this job for a while might make it possible for me to get a job with a specialist agency that places folks in my desired field. I know I won't stop being an artist. I also know I'm good enough to have made my living as an artist in New York City, and with that in my background, it's hard to accept that I'm somehow not good enough to do it here in a backward corner of the UK. In fact, I resent it. Donna

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Congratulations for completing the interview. Even if you don't take this job, you have gained information about other possibilities for the near future. And if you don't use this info perhaps you will meet someone else who can put it to use.
DJCNOR wrote:...it's hard to accept that I'm somehow not good enough to do it here in a backward corner of the UK. In fact, I resent it.
You don't have to accept it, it's not true. In your own words you are in a "backward corner", backward corner, backward corner. My take on this is you don't really believe somehow you don't measure up to masses of world class artists coming to your area and earning a good living. This is not what's happening here. I think you chose this place and then found that it's not the place you thought it was; now you are feeling frustated and sorry for yourself. Things don't always work out exactly the way we dreamed or even hoped they would. But don't let this make you overlook the real opportunities that exist. As Tim Gunn says, "make it work."
DJCNOR wrote:...less boring that what I do now...has the potential, if I turned out to be very good at it indeed, to pay more per hour than what I do now...the job would put me in a position to know about other job openings I might be interested in...having this job for a while might make it possible for me to get a job with a specialist agency that places folks in my desired field...And, no, it doesn't sound like a job I would target.
Or in other words, YES. Yes, it could be a target for the next job out. It doesn't have to be the ideal next step on your career path. You can have more than one target. Two or three is always a good idea. Did you get and read the Five O'clock club series? I strongly recommend it. You might perceive things in a different way that could be helpful to you. I think the original book, years ago, was titled "Through the Brick Wall." I noticed one of your earlier posts had little animated gifs of heads battering brick walls. Appropriately cute. And true. LOL.

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Hi all, Well, apparently the phone interview went well enough. I followed up and it turned out they had sent me two e-mails inviting me to go forward with the next two stages, which were a credit check, and a personality test. I authorized the credit check, and asked for a copy of it since I understand that in the UK if someone gets a credit check on you they must give you a copy if asked and it never hurts to know what your current credit check says. I warned them that I might not even have any credit record here in the UK, since the accounts were wet up in my husband's name since he had the job when we first arrived. I passed the credit check. The next step was a personality test. It consisted of 38 questions, each giving 4 possible answers. For each one, you had to pick the characteristic that was most like you and the one that was least. Then there was another long list of characteristics on which you had to rate yourself on a 1 to 5 basis. We'll see what the results are. I might just get this job! It helps my self confidence just to know I've gotten this far. Donna

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Ach!!!! I passed! I go to London tomorrow for "assessment". Hey! Whatever happens, I just won a free trip to London (from two hours away) in any case. Shall I stay overnight? What shall I wear? What if they offer me a job somewhere other than near where I live? Ach!!! Donna

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